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Soden Rah Gallente EVE University Ivy League	Posted - 2011.06.15 00:08:00 - [1] Originally by: CCP Guard Dear friends. Our services were subjected to a distributed denial of service attack (DDoS) at 17:00 UTC. We took everything down for the sake of caution while we conducted a full investigation. Your data was not compromised and we are back in action. Please go here for more details. We thank you for your patience and hope you enjoy drifting back into space. Update: Tranquility is back offline. Please see this news post for more information and we will keep you updated as soon as possible. Yay for doing the right thing. Now if only we could call some dusties to go wipe out these pesky Lulzers....
Soden Rah Gallente EVE University Ivy League	Posted - 2011.06.15 00:12:00 - [2] Originally by: Rasz Lin Originally by: Marlona Sky From what I understand, DDoS is impossible to stop if they really want to do it. Is this true? yes it takes time, cooperation and competence from all involved parties to make it stop You missed that its also rather expensive. If you start getting DDoS'ed all the time then it makes sense to get some security firms to hunt down and block the attackers... but for (hopefully) one off attacks it makes better sense to just duck and cover.
Soden Rah Gallente EVE University Ivy League	Posted - 2011.06.15 00:23:00 - [3] Originally by: Meta2 Lulzsec needs to be podded.... and have all their clone contracts revoked. Then a Moros capital ship needs to assume assault orbit over their homes and their families homes and open fire until nothing but vapor remains. Nooo. we don't want to kill them... takes all the fun out of it if your opponent is dead. means they can't appreciate the fact that they have lost... no you strap them into a life support machine, remove their eyelids, pump them full of steroids, and play Disney films to them on an endless loop. __________________________________________________ Originally by: CCP Tuxford bugger, I need to have a closer look at this menu function
Soden Rah Gallente EVE University Ivy League	Posted - 2011.06.15 00:31:00 - [4] Originally by: Llarz What is 'Traffic Flooding' The servers, and the data pipes connecting them to the outside world can only take a certain number of requests per second. In a DDoS attack a bot net of tens of thousands to millions of infected computers around the world are instructed to start spamming out huge numbers of requests to the target server. The target server and incoming data routers can't take the strain and collapse. Often while this is going on the hackers will try to use the DDoS attack to cover a break in to steal data. __________________________________________________ Originally by: CCP Tuxford bugger, I need to have a closer look at this menu function
Soden Rah Gallente EVE University Ivy League	Posted - 2011.06.15 00:34:00 - [5] Originally by: Jack Aaron Originally by: Soden Rah Nooo. we don't want to kill them... takes all the fun out of it if your opponent is dead. means they can't appreciate the fact that they have lost... no you strap them into a life support machine, remove their eyelids, pump them full of steroids, and play Disney films to them on an endless loop. Evil ^ Yes, I am actually Megamind in real life __________________________________________________ Originally by: CCP Tuxford bugger, I need to have a closer look at this menu function
Soden Rah Gallente EVE University Ivy League	Posted - 2011.06.15 00:49:00 - [6] Originally by: Zleon Leigh Originally by: Sister Virgin Sister Virgin Aged, Retired, REAL Hacker and Phreaker The kids won't even have a clue about that one. lol +1 made free calls by whistling down phone lines to mimic the tones used to instruct the automated exchange system, often using free whistles given out in a brand of cereal. and all that happened about 20+ yrs before I was born... so us kids aren't as clueless as you think ;-) Plus I thought if we were being technical, that LuLZ were crackers rather than hackers. __________________________________________________ Originally by: CCP Tuxford bugger, I need to have a closer look at this menu function
Soden Rah Gallente EVE University Ivy League	Posted - 2011.06.15 01:08:00 - [7] Originally by: Sunji Togenada Originally by: Sister Virgin I suspect you can just make your servers ignore pings. That simple. (I hope) Originally by: Sister Virgin Aged, Retired, REAL Hacker and Phreaker lol It's too bad you're retired, "real hacker" I bet you could show the professional security team at CCP a thing or two with your 1980's understanding of information security why don't you go whistle into a payphone and give them a call they might need an outside contractor to show them how to easily stop a DDOS just by telling the routers to ignore some packets (see the extra D there I'll give you a hint it's important go look it up) While you're at it you can insult them some more too so its like a win/win for you Also frankly when you're on the business end of an attack, and you don't yet know exactly what it is, killing your connection in case its a PDoS attack seems prudent. I don't know what the bill for replacing TQ would be, but the insurance company would not be happy. __________________________________________________ Originally by: CCP Tuxford bugger, I need to have a closer look at this menu function
Soden Rah Gallente EVE University Ivy League	Posted - 2011.06.15 01:17:00 - [8] Originally by: Wyke Mossari Originally by: Sister Virgin --dated BS snipped-- Sister Virgin Aged, Retired, REAL Hacker and Phreaker You don't know what you are talking about. A Ping flood is a very old attack vector and doesn't work against any OS less than 10 years old. Today the vast majority of DDOS attacks are carried out with SYN floods, some use a low data rate tear-drop attack. DDOS the front door is often a distraction to hide a covert intrusion via another route. Current Technical Architect. also talking about Amazon and ebay defending themselves... they post profits in the hundreds of millions... they can afford distributed servers and computer security CCP could only dream of. __________________________________________________ Originally by: CCP Tuxford bugger, I need to have a closer look at this menu function
Soden Rah Gallente EVE University Ivy League	Posted - 2011.06.15 01:25:00 - [9] Originally by: Uncle AWOL Originally by: Jormungandr Bastanold These people, in my own opinion, have a God syndrome. They do those things because they can. They might actually fool themselves into beliving they're "testing the security" or something like twisted that. this happens every now and then. its sad really that people stupe so low as to believe themselves as superior to the rest of us. or theyve all been watching too many movies. :) BTW i wouldnt be surprised if they tried to hack Microsoft any time soon. so i would get rid of any card information on any and all sites. if possible hmmm, would it be worthwhile having special Internet credit cards specially for use on the internets, that expire every few hrs/days, meaning if you shop around all over the place your details expire pretty quickly. (this would be like a security token that spits out new credit card details every few hrs) Any thoughts? __________________________________________________ Originally by: CCP Tuxford bugger, I need to have a closer look at this menu function
Soden Rah Gallente EVE University Ivy League	Posted - 2011.06.15 01:29:00 - [10] Originally by: Mike Takumi Originally by: Jormungandr Bastanold You could be in the corp and inactive for 6 month. I would not ban a whole corp. I didn't say a whole corp, just the people who are dumb enough to be seriously trying to claim responsibility for the attack. to do it legally... which part of the EULER covers flapping mouth off on forum claiming to have caused DDoS attack? __________________________________________________ Originally by: CCP Tuxford bugger, I need to have a closer look at this menu function

Soden Rah Gallente EVE University Ivy League	Posted - 2011.06.15 01:33:00 - [11] Originally by: Jormungandr Bastanold Originally by: Soden Rah Originally by: Mike Takumi Originally by: Jormungandr Bastanold You could be in the corp and inactive for 6 month. I would not ban a whole corp. I didn't say a whole corp, just the people who are dumb enough to be seriously trying to claim responsibility for the attack. to do it legally... which part of the EULER covers flapping mouth off on forum claiming to have caused DDoS attack? Illegal activities. Ban pending investigation. It's not that I have any problem with them being banned, Heck I would do it just for them being stupid. But it would be nice to do it without any legal backlash to bite CCP in the arse. It just if they turn out to be 12 yr olds flapping their mouths off, and CCP bans them and they go crying to their parents who pay for their accounts... Of course the parents in that situation should clip them round the ear, ground them for a month. and ban them from all computer games for longer... but not all parents are sensible like that. __________________________________________________ Originally by: CCP Tuxford bugger, I need to have a closer look at this menu function
Soden Rah Gallente EVE University Ivy League	Posted - 2011.06.15 01:39:00 - [12] Originally by: Usagi Tsukino Originally by: Soden Rah hmmm, would it be worthwhile having special Internet credit cards specially for use on the internets, that expire every few hrs/days, meaning if you shop around all over the place your details expire pretty quickly. (this would be like a security token that spits out new credit card details every few hrs) Any thoughts? I don't know where you live, but here in the US you can get 'pre-paid' credit cards at Walmart/Target/check cashing places, etc. Just have to make sure you put enough on them before your billing cycle is up. There isn't any reason they shouldn't work for EVE or any other game because afaik, they are processed just like any other credit card. heh, don't live in the US. Not sure if their is an equivalent here. However that doesn't have the same security that my proposal would... That said you would have to put in new details for every bill so it wouldn't be good for making more than one off payments. I don't actually have a problem with my online monetary security. But I don't use stuff like online banking and such, because it isn't secure. __________________________________________________ Originally by: CCP Tuxford bugger, I need to have a closer look at this menu function
Soden Rah Gallente EVE University Ivy League	Posted - 2011.06.15 01:42:00 - [13] Originally by: Jormungandr Bastanold Well. I need to make sure my credit card info is not kept on file at any given time. and change/lengthen your passwords :-) Just make sure you don't forget them, lost a perfectly good hotmail account that way... It was so secure not even I could log into it. __________________________________________________ Originally by: CCP Tuxford bugger, I need to have a closer look at this menu function
Soden Rah Gallente EVE University Ivy League	Posted - 2011.06.15 01:51:00 - [14] Edited by: Soden Rah on 15/06/2011 01:51:30 Originally by: BeanBagKing Originally by: Soden Rah lost a perfectly good hotmail account that way... It was so secure not even I could log into it. I've done that to more than one site :( username/password security sucks these days. You're vulnerable if you reuse passwords or use simple passwords, but if you don't, then you're locked out of your own accounts. Your only hope then is to wait till someone hacks that one and releases all the passwords so you can look yours up :) I find good old fashioned pen and paper works excellently... If someone has broken into your house and is standing in front of your pc, your security is pretty broken anyway ;-) Unless you have real security, ie properly encrypted HDD's, your data is lost anyway. EDIT: plus if you write it down, you can make full use of the 64 char allotment for your pw. __________________________________________________ Originally by: CCP Tuxford bugger, I need to have a closer look at this menu function
Soden Rah Gallente EVE University Ivy League	Posted - 2011.06.15 01:53:00 - [15] Originally by: Darvec Update @ 01:15 UTC: Tranquility is now online...... Not for me its not, log on, initiate warp, get booted. their are times when I think we do a pretty good job of DDoS'ing TQ ourselves... 30~60k people all spamming login at once probably causes half the trouble around patch days, and on reboots like atm. __________________________________________________ Originally by: CCP Tuxford bugger, I need to have a closer look at this menu function
Soden Rah Gallente EVE University Ivy League	Posted - 2011.06.15 01:56:00 - [16] Originally by: Salene Gralois Originally by: Soden Rah Originally by: Jormungandr Bastanold Well. I need to make sure my credit card info is not kept on file at any given time. and change/lengthen your passwords :-) Just make sure you don't forget them, lost a perfectly good hotmail account that way... It was so secure not even I could log into it. Last time that happened to me (I do tend to use obscure passwords from time to time) it took me 30 minutes to find a workaround using nothing more complex than Google to find the url in the msn network to reset it. It wasn't the easiest thing i've ever done, but it wasn't voodoo either. this was in the days before google... hard as that is to remember... __________________________________________________ Originally by: CCP Tuxford bugger, I need to have a closer look at this menu function
Soden Rah Gallente EVE University Ivy League	Posted - 2011.06.15 02:01:00 - [17] Originally by: Alvani Originally by: topix92 Originally by: Mike Takumi Originally by: Jormungandr Bastanold You could be in the corp and inactive for 6 month. I would not ban a whole corp. I didn't say a whole corp, just the people who are dumb enough to be seriously trying to claim responsibility for the attack. Well the possibility is that your computer can be one of the computers used to make the DEATHBALL OF DDoS. You just dont know it. :D Not quite true. There is alot of good antivirus programs like Kaspersky which can detect these types of backdoors and block them. There is acutally a way to make sure you are not one of the attacking computers. Now, if someone configured their antivirus to ignore that backdoor.... well then it's their own fault and they should be banned. When protection against having your computer turned into a zombie ddos machine is soooo easily and readily available, you can't claim ignorance on this. And even under worse case scenario.... aka you have no cash to buy antivirus... get AVG... it's free.... crappy in comparison to others but it is at least something. I prefer Avast, it has more features in the free version. and has a nice silent running mode which I like. But its good to back it up with other brands that you don't run all the time, but use occasionally for full system scans, all of them have failings but they usually cover each others blanks. Then use a proper web browser like FireFox, and use add/script/cookie blockers, have a good firewall... and then apply common sense. __________________________________________________ Originally by: CCP Tuxford bugger, I need to have a closer look at this menu function
Soden Rah Gallente EVE University Ivy League	Posted - 2011.06.15 02:06:00 - [18] Originally by: Jormungandr Bastanold You would not belive how hard it is to remove all your credit card information. It is just not possible in some cases and in others there is no password recovery avaliable to even try. cancel credit card, get new credit card... win? Yes I know its a hassle.. but its 100% effective. __________________________________________________ Originally by: CCP Tuxford bugger, I need to have a closer look at this menu function
Soden Rah Gallente EVE University Ivy League	Posted - 2011.06.15 02:11:00 - [19] Originally by: Salene Gralois Originally by: Soden Rah I prefer Avast, it has more features in the free version. and has a nice silent running mode which I like. But its good to back it up with other brands that you don't run all the time, but use occasionally for full system scans, all of them have failings but they usually cover each others blanks. Then use a proper web browser like FireFox, and use add/script/cookie blockers, have a good firewall... and then apply common sense. Even though i prefer Opera as browser: everything he said. Usually NOT IE works ;-) Also if you're on AOL..... Well let me put it this way, when my Fathers company decided to roll out Broadband to all the partners and he asked if we could shop around rather than just go with the recommended BT (who were expensive) ... They said yeah sure.... Just not AOL... They weren't prepared to allow anyone on AOL connect to their network... __________________________________________________ Originally by: CCP Tuxford bugger, I need to have a closer look at this menu function
Soden Rah Gallente EVE University Ivy League	Posted - 2011.06.15 02:14:00 - [20] Originally by: Katrina Raskin Originally by: Jormungandr Bastanold Originally by: Soden Rah Originally by: Jormungandr Bastanold You would not belive how hard it is to remove all your credit card information. It is just not possible in some cases and in others there is no password recovery avaliable to even try. cancel credit card, get new credit card... win? Yes I know its a hassle.. but its 100% effective. You know what?? i think i will. Just be aware that things like that can effect your credit rating and/or get you into issues which involve the phrase "unusual behaviour". not if you tell the company you have lost the card, please cancel and send replacement. __________________________________________________ Originally by: CCP Tuxford bugger, I need to have a closer look at this menu function

Soden Rah Gallente EVE University Ivy League	Posted - 2011.06.15 02:17:00 - [21] Originally by: A'Brantox Foson I have it on good authority we have an outage of some sort...ie: no chance loggin in for some for an indefinate amount of time, all completely unbiased and not stressy like. DDoS attacks by their very nature tend to stress out all the pipes around/leading to the target server. That coupled with the potential for ISP's to get overzealous in banning IP's .... __________________________________________________ Originally by: CCP Tuxford bugger, I need to have a closer look at this menu function
Soden Rah Gallente EVE University Ivy League	Posted - 2011.06.15 02:30:00 - [22] Originally by: Katrina Raskin Originally by: Soden Rah Originally by: Katrina Raskin Just be aware that things like that can effect your credit rating and/or get you into issues which involve the phrase "unusual behaviour". not if you tell the company you have lost the card, please cancel and send replacement. Huh, I thought losing a card got recorded as well, but my information is second hand, so, that works then. people lose stuff all the time... I am sure they record all kinds of stuff. but they are not going to alter your credit Rating if you lose your card... If you lost it once a month though... I wouldn't recommend making a habit of it, but if you're online data has spiralled out of control, and you can't even remember all the places that have your details let along be able to delete all of them (assuming they let you, and the data is actually deleted) then killing it at source, by invalidating the card works. You might be able to just say to your credit card company that that is what you are trying to achieve. How they would take it however is an open question. Then again I took the step of telling my bank that I would never ever use online or phone banking services, and to put a note on my account saying that was the case, and if anyone ever tried to set up phone or internet banking on the accounts... it wasn't me. So they know I'm weird. __________________________________________________ Originally by: CCP Tuxford bugger, I need to have a closer look at this menu function
Soden Rah Gallente EVE University Ivy League	Posted - 2011.06.15 02:33:00 - [23] Originally by: Ethan Blacknova Originally by: Templar Knightsbane im in the uk what the heck has france got to do with me? It's quite possib;e that your connection is still routed to CCP via the EuroRings network. If Eurorings touches CCP, your connection may be routed through it. Thus, trouble. also if the network you connect to ccp over uses the same balcklist as EuroRings..... __________________________________________________ Originally by: CCP Tuxford bugger, I need to have a closer look at this menu function
Soden Rah Gallente EVE University Ivy League	Posted - 2011.06.15 02:42:00 - [24] Originally by: Ethan Blacknova Originally by: Soden Rah Originally by: Ethan Blacknova Originally by: Templar Knightsbane im in the uk what the heck has france got to do with me? It's quite possib;e that your connection is still routed to CCP via the EuroRings network. If Eurorings touches CCP, your connection may be routed through it. Thus, trouble. also if the network you connect to ccp over uses the same balcklist as EuroRings..... Precisely. You might not understand the phyics behind laser recoil (Radiation pressure), but you know a bit more about internetz. Hi5. I know more about the physics of laser recoil than I do about internets... Don't know where that came from but hey what the hell Maybe you're mistaking me for someone else from that thread. But I have worked IT support, so I aught to know vaguely what I am talking about... and more to the point, know when I don't know what I am talking about __________________________________________________ Originally by: CCP Tuxford bugger, I need to have a closer look at this menu function
Soden Rah Gallente EVE University Ivy League	Posted - 2011.06.15 02:46:00 - [25] Originally by: Runawae Not really sure if I want to search the forums over and over, but alot of people can't still connect comming form the facebook comments. Server status is unknown. Happend to myself as well, played and got d-ced. any official news on this ? either your IP address is part of a set that has been blacklisted by at least one of the networks between you and CCP. or one of the networks you connect over has blacklisted anything end destinationing at TQ or one or more of the routers you are trying to connect through got scrambled in the DDoS and has forgotten where ccp is or similar. Or the ever present other :-) __________________________________________________ Originally by: CCP Tuxford bugger, I need to have a closer look at this menu function
Soden Rah Gallente EVE University Ivy League	Posted - 2011.06.15 02:59:00 - [26] Originally by: SilKKZ the3rd Whats fantastic is between us we have deduced the problem before an announcement was made. Thats not a good show on CCP front. we have deduced some 'likely' problems... we don't KNOW what the problem is. CCP might, or might not know. but until they are sure.... better to say when they know rather than say stuff they might have to retract later. __________________________________________________ Originally by: CCP Tuxford bugger, I need to have a closer look at this menu function
Soden Rah Gallente EVE University Ivy League	Posted - 2011.06.15 03:05:00 - [27] Originally by: Katrina Raskin To repeat what I said earlier: CCP will have no control of this situation, they can't give an ETA or any additional information. Even the chances of them being able to contact the ISP in question to get an answer is incredibly unlikely. Considering the nature of the problem, the primary way it could be diagnosed would be through us, as we've managed to do. This is not a reflection on CCP in any way, this should be easy to grasp, they don't control the backbones of the Internet =P yeah ccp is probably on the phone right now, on hold, with annoying music being played, trying to get through to someone in India, who wont know how to solve the problem, but has to work through a 50 page book of "have you tried plugging it in, first grade IT support advice" before he can escalate it to second line... who escalate to third line, who tell CCP that its standard policy in the event of a DDoS/botnet attack, and they have to talk to management... management are in bed, and will be in tomorrow at 10. but right now they are still on hold, and are listening to Vivaldi's 4 seasons for the 20th time... __________________________________________________ Originally by: CCP Tuxford bugger, I need to have a closer look at this menu function
Soden Rah Gallente EVE University Ivy League	Posted - 2011.06.15 03:16:00 - [28] Originally by: Fred Evil Originally by: JeanMichel Bizarre Edited by: JeanMichel Bizarre on 15/06/2011 02:50:21 Yeah... TQ may be up for some of the playerbase, but it's not for me. I've run a tracer and I get a beautiful TIME OUT for each and every hop. C:\Users\Radu>tracert 87.237.38.200 Tracing route to 200.38.237.87.rev.ccp.cc [87.237.38.200] over a maximum of 30 hops: 1 * * * Request timed out. 2 * * * Request timed out. 3 * * * Request timed out. ... 30 * * * Request timed out. Trace complete. C:\Users\Radu> Dude...your intarwebz is down....srsly, you don't even get a response from your OWN router... rofl, this made me laugh. __________________________________________________ Originally by: CCP Tuxford bugger, I need to have a closer look at this menu function
Soden Rah Gallente EVE University Ivy League	Posted - 2011.06.15 03:28:00 - [29] Originally by: Sue Shee Originally by: Jaroslav Unwanted Edited by: Jaroslav Unwanted on 15/06/2011 03:06:46 Originally by: Pvt Parts Quote: polite nothing is better than wall of nothing I think a polite nothing is better than "Tranquility has been returned to service." but you still cannot get on and we will not tell you why or when you can get back on. Just tell us it's f&ked and will not be fixed until the morning shift comes in. To make another quote... Its not problem of CCP .. as you can see from those traceroutes on this thread... So they cant fix it... its up to providers and their network engineers to fix it and they wont do so if they still see something fishy... aka eliminating source of the problem while keeping functionality... Everyone had better get to scanning and making sure there computers are clean so the group haven't got any bots to control...... until then, the group has ammo they can use statistically given a max number of eve users of around 350k, a botnet of 1 million pc's, and an internet of billions of pc's... the overlap of people who play eve and were part of the botnet that brought it down is going to be pretty small. (assuming conservatively 2 billion connected PCs worldwide, and 350k eve player PC's and 1 Million PC's in the botnet... eve users represent 0.0175% of total PC's on the internet, and the bot net accounting for 0.05% of the computers on the internet. You would expect given that around 175 eve users who were part of the botnet.... on average.) Still well worth checking for viruses anyway. __________________________________________________ Originally by:* CCP Tuxford bugger, I need to have a closer look at this menu function
Soden Rah Gallente EVE University Ivy League	Posted - 2011.06.15 03:36:00 - [30] Originally by: Ethan Blacknova Originally by: Miliam Brinalle 6 kpn-2-0-0-0-grtlontl3.red.telefonica-wholesale.net [213.140.52.94] reports: Destination net unreachable. KPN networks. Looks like we have the culprit well and truly identified. It's probably more than one... ISP's share bad IP blacklists with each other (and or share the same security company which has its blacklist). If one blocks you/ccp its likely others will as well... at varying rates depending on how fast they update their blacklists. __________________________________________________ Originally by: CCP Tuxford bugger, I need to have a closer look at this menu function

Soden Rah Gallente EVE University Ivy League	Posted - 2011.06.15 03:47:00 - [31] Originally by: Katrina Raskin My dear giddy Aunt, a lot of these responses remind me why I quit IT. And why I usually wanted to stab the help desk when they tried to figure out/explain network issues to the suits. So, thank you, you've reminded me how the money so was not worth it. That said... @Soden For some reason I always seemed to get "Spice Girls - If you want to be my lover" and often in a short loop. The horror that kicks in when you realise you're absent mindedly humming along with it, is intense. rofl. When working for one firm we had a PC training room with a set of pc's in that that were bought in bulk, so all the same make/model ect... on which the disk drives had a fault which meant that after a while it just kept ejecting the disk drive, and wouldn't stay in (except with duck tape)... nothing fixed it so you just had to replace the drive... which is no biggie, but, being the new guy at the time, I had to call up the manufacturer whenever it happened and get them to send us the replacement (on warranty).... And every sodding time, I had some guy in India going through his book of questions... And trying to explain that given that I was second line IT support... I was the guy he would call when he couldn't solve my problem... Anyhow, Yes I hate it when they have pop songs on their loop... never got spice girls though... yet. __________________________________________________ Originally by: CCP Tuxford bugger, I need to have a closer look at this menu function
Soden Rah Gallente EVE University Ivy League	Posted - 2011.06.15 04:20:00 - [32] Originally by: CCP Wrangler The connection issue should now be sorted, but please post in this thread if anyone has any problems to connect to the EVE Online server. Good work guys. Hope you don't have to do this too often... Next question though... has/will this effect Incarna release schedule? __________________________________________________ Originally by: CCP Tuxford bugger, I need to have a closer look at this menu function

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